Response to my exorcism page regarding fallen
angels crossing back over to become good angels.
Keep in mind I am not an official preacher. I love Yahshua and try to serve Him
any way I can and I certainly don't know all there is to know about the Bible or
spiritual warfare. I go where my heart says to go and do what I
feel the holy spirit working inside of me wants me to do. This
man's points are well taken. The honest answer is I don't know. The one book we
studied said she did this many times; converting bad angels to good angels after
she made them go seek Yahweh and ask for forgiveness. Bob Larson never addresses
this. We still listen to his cd's on our trips back and forth to the states. The
priest who let me into his deliverance forum stated they HAD done this, and not
just once, but they never talk about it as people simply would not believe
it and it would give them great credibility problems. But he said our God
is a forgiving God and to not write off what God is willing to do in special
circumstances. He said, like Larry below states, that angels can be treated
differently than created beings. I asked Hiry, the replacement fallen angel the
following day, where Rushta, the gatekeeper was, from the previous day. He
stated Rushta was standing behind me as my protective angel just as God had
instructed him to be for the rest of my life the day before. He also stated
there were many more angels with him on this day. And I have thought
about it many times that maybe I now have a demon as my protective angel. But
in the ensuing 9 months, only good things have happened. Our workload has
increased. Yahweh brings more money to work with as well as increasing the
burden of where it has to go. Our protection still seems to be in tact. Of the
many things that have happened I would have to say someone is still watching
over us. Rushta?? A different guardian angel?? I did buy a book on communicating
with my guardian angel but never got around to reading it yet. Maybe I don't
want to know.
Ber
From Larry Goertzen, April 2nd, 2008
Hi Ber,
To refresh your memory, I sent you the Set Free Manual to aid you in dealing with Angelica, the demonized woman.
I have been pondering some of the exorcism guidelines on your site derived from your experience in this exorcism for a number of months. I am writing to express my concern for one of your stated positions especially in view of your influence. Please read and weigh this prayerfully even if you sense spiritual opposition.
1. God is impartial.
“For there is no partiality with God.” Rom
At first this may seem like an argument against my statement. However, please consider this Scripture: “For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; … 9 {then} the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment…” 2 Pet 2:4 and 9 (NAU). This indicates that at least some fallen angels do not have the opportunity for redemption. Therefore, if God offers redemption to some fallen angels and not to others, He would be acting partially. (I will explain below why offering salvation to humans and not to angels is not impartial.)
2. God judges some more severely than others. It is a principle of Scripture that God judges beings He has created based on the light that they have received. Therefore some incur stricter judgment than others. “Let not many {of you} become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.” James 3:1 (NAU). Angels that once served in the throne room of heaven and sinned willfully (rebelliously) knowing exactly what they were doing without being deceived (since they were in the very presence of God), are in a different category than beings who were deceived by another (humans by the serpent).
We see “this day”
alluded to in other books of the Bible as well. "Hear
and testify against the house of Jacob," declares the Lord GOD, the God of
hosts. "For on the day that I punish
This also explains why
Moses could make one angry mistake, “striking the rock” instead of
“speaking to the rock” and be barred from entering the Promised Land as a
result. “You broke faith with Me in the midst of the sons
of
He had spoken with God
face to face (“Thus the LORD used to speak to Moses face to face, just as a
man speaks to his friend.” Exod 33:11 (NAU) and so was judged more severely
than Caleb, Joshua and the children of
For the principle to follow through, angels who sinned will be judged more severely than people who sin because angels too have seen God face to face.
3.
The Scripture gives no indication that Salvation was made
available to angels. God does not have the option because
of His holiness of simply allowing a “bad being” to “cross over” and
become “a good being” without provision being made. Our
provision is Jesus Christ. “Therefore, since the children
share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that
through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is,
the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to
slavery all their lives. For assuredly He does not give
help to angels, but He gives help to the descendant of Abraham.
Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that
He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God,
to make propitiation for the sins of the people.” Heb
2:14-17 (NAU); and, “according to the Law, {one may} almost
{say} all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is
no forgiveness.” Heb
These verses indicate that
Jesus had to become like us in order to redeem us; He had to have flesh and
blood like us to qualify as our Saviour. Angel “blood” is
not like ours, if indeed they have any. They are of a
different order of being and we are given no indication in Scripture that a way
of redemption has been provided for them. Jesus Himself does
not qualify to be the angel Redeemer since He is now, and always has been, a
different order of being. He took the "form of man" not
"the form or angels." “For to which of the angels
did He ever say, "You are my Son….” And again,
"I will be a Father to Him and He shall be a Son to Me.” Heb
1:5 (NAU). We have been adopted (in Christ) so we can also
call God, “Father.” “For you have not received a spirit
of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as
sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!"” Rom
4. I don’t see in your documentation sufficient evidence that Rushta had to pass Scriptural testing. There are at least two tests for identifying error in this type of “spiritual” situation. I would not even consider the possibility of allowing for redemption of demons without the demon voluntarily, passionately, saying these statements. However, they are not final proof. They often serve as qualifiers.
1 Cor 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that … no one can say, "Jesus is [my] Lord," except by the Holy Spirit. (NAU).
I Jn 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. (NAU)
5. There are some situations in life where we may perhaps be right (I cannot guarantee beyond all doubt that angels cannot be redeemed because my knowledge is limited) but proof is strongly lacking and I believe a careful examination of Scripture indicates that it is, at least, highly unlikely. In situations like this, Paul exhorts us to make it our practice “not to exceed what is written, so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.” 1 Cor 4:6 (NAU); because “Knowledge makes arrogant, but love edifies.” 1 Cor 8:1.
In this section, I wish to
say, that even if perchance you are correct, that the consequences of
potentially being wrong are so great that it is best to keep silent on the
matter and leave the sorting out to God who is omniscient. Let’s
assume for a moment that you are mistaken (even if, as I said, there is a remote
possibility that you are not). If Rushta has succeeded in
convincing you that he is an angel of light while, in fact, he is not (“No
wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.” 2 Cor
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