Solid Investment updated 6-3-2006  see extra comments

http://www.solidinvestment.com/?ref=detailshere

6-3 update  I would be very careful  placing ANY money into this program right now. They just took EVERYONE'S accounts and converted it to their "special deal" which doesn't payout for 60 days. Those of us who were getting paid daily had our accounts converted without our permission. E mails to them regarding this issue are going unanswered. Does Sam have such a really big deal that he needs the extra time?? Who knows.  It's possible. Did Solid Investment run out of money and this is a stall tactic to still keep money flowing in? Who knows. I am not going to be the one to say they are finished. They have performed flawlessly to this point in time. The truth is, we won't know for another 60 days. Meanwhile be aware that they have suffered a huge credibility loss with this tactic and there is no other word on them other than to be very cautious.

However, in their defense, I offer the following - this comes from 
http://www.ecurrencyforum.com/showthread.php?p=96382#post96382

My DD indicates that SI is a legit company& that they will payout in July.
When Mr. Sosa states,in his last post: "We are paying since 1998...,my DD
indicates such to be the case:
1.) The endosement seal: "Endorsed Program since 1999" is a trustx.gif image.
Go to: www.solidinvestment.com/im/trustx.gif
2.) If we go to: www.alexa.com and type in trustx.com in the web search, we see a mrendering of their website; then clickon Overview& we see site stats: online
since 04-Aug-1999. 
3.) Now here's where it gets interesting: when we go to:
www.whois.domaintools.com and type in trustx.com we see: registrant, Sam Auton;yet, if we take it one step futher & click on "whois history: 72 records & create a free membership with an email address & password, we can access the domain history...& when we click on the 2001-08-01 records, BINGO! we see whois trustx.
We see the registrant is: Trustex Currency Trading Corp, 50 W.Borough st.
Thornhill,Ontario L3T 4x5. Admin contacts: Roger Sholanki &rchurchill@capture.net.
Now,as we know, the Admin contact is the owner of the domain name. And one
of the 1st software programs developed by Roger Sholanki was a foreign currency exchange program; thus the name: The Trustex Currency Trading Corp. When we go to: http://www.commercialware.com/publi...y/rsholanki.asp
We get a brief background of whois Roger Sholanki. From 1992-1998, he was
founder & CEO of Cybersoft Corp. serving such clients as: Ford Motor Co.,
Aetna Life Insurance, Ligthbridge, PriceWaterhouse Coopers...etc. So,Trustx,
Roger Sholanki & Richard Churchill (i.e. the Admin contacts for trustx) are no
joke. They are creditable & respected multi-million dollar-corp. type businessmen.
When we type in the name Roger Sholanki into a google search engine, we see
his other accomphishments, like: founder & CEO, with Richard Churchill as a
Director of the board, of The Sea Green Capital Corp., a mining company in
Canada, & they, as members of trustx currency trading corp. only endorse
creditable HYIPS not Ponzis. Go To:
http://www.s2.excoboard.com/exco/th...threadid=673988
And get this: after endorsing SI in 1999 & investing, at least, 1 million dollars
in them, around 2004-05, they headed up The Sea Green Capital Corp. and
offered its' stock in private placement programs, type in Sea Green Capital Corp. & private placement into a google search engine and see for yourself.
Sorry for the long post...But,Yes, Indeed...Let Us CountDown with confidence
to July 1st and the private placement issuing of shares to SI members thid fall.
Go SI Go 4 the next 4 years!!!!

Interesting huh?
Ber 

 

Please read extra comments    on due diligence. 
I have a large amount of information for you to digest on this program, and others keep sending me supporting information continuously on these guys also. The problem we all have to deal with is the high pay rate. It's not normal. Outside of that, this program presents itself and has run absolutely flawlessly 
for well over a year now and is proving to be highly legitimate, especially with 
the recent Titanic-technologies certification.

Pays 1.8%/business day  for amounts of $10 to $1000 
(20 business days/mo @ 1.8%/day= 36%/month return)
 
Pays 2.3%/business day  for amounts of $1001 to $5000
(20 business days a months @2.3%/day = 46%/mo return)

Pays 3.0%/business day  for amounts of $5001 to $20,000
(20 business days/mo @ 3%/day = 60%/mo return) 

$20,001+   click on the help link to see these amounts as well as more rules.
This is per BUSINESS day which is Monday through Friday not including holidays. It is cumulative so if you started at $500 and then added $501 next month, at that time you would be in the 2.3% bracket on all of it. BUT.....read on

IMPORTANT -  ALSO - Be aware of THIS rule
Q. If I deposit 100 USD and let it compound and reach 1001 USD balance, my Payout rate will be changed to the 2.3%, right?
A. No, Payout rate is counted according to total deposits. Compounded profit is not treated like deposit

This means you should set your compounding to ZERO, take a withdrawal every day, and then do a respend back to them (if you use ebullion this costs you nothing except a little more time) until you get above the $1000 mark so you can get into the 2.3% category; rather than just compounding your earnings every day. I compounded my earnings everyday for a long time and it NEVER counted towards getting into the next higher pay rate because I didn't understand this rule. Don't make the same mistake. What is the difference??? Mathematically none. Maybe it's just a way for them not to have to up the ante for those like me who can't read all the rules. 

ALSO - and especially after the recent Kum Holdings fiasco, please read the information I have posted below regarding the payrate which I still question as high. These guys have done EVERYTHING right so far; website works perfectly, they use ebullion, communication is excellent. But I would feel much more comfortable with them if they were a 10% to 12%/mo program instead of a 36% to 46%/mo program. Only time will tell. Maybe it's my broke mentality talking. Read their section at the bottom right of their homepage entitled "Why should you trust us". It contains some very good points. 

Also, on the second or third page of the forum, a contributor known as "Pinnup" has outlined in a fair degree of detail how SI makes its large returns.  It's an explanation of how the sale of large debt instruments by banks takes place every day, and that often they are rolled over a number of times before they reach the end purchasers.  The price goes up each time they change hands.
Even with as high a payrate as you and I think we are being paid, Solid Investment is probably making a lot more than that with our money.  

AND, Solid Investment is now certified by http://www.certification.titanic-technology.dk    which says a lot also. Read the Titanic site to see what all they require to certify you. Titanic also removes certification if any payment problems develop. I tried to get certified through them myself as many people are new to my website and don't have a history on me, but I could not because even though I admin for several programs I do not MYSELF run the program, i.e. do the investing myself, which is one of their requirements.  In communication with them through this though I learned many things. That because of the thorough investigation of Solid Investment, the owner of Titanic has invested with Solid Investments also and that of the last 67 hyips that applied for Titanic certification  by the end of 2005, Solid investments is the only program that came through and received it.

You should also know that Gerald, the owner of Titan Technologies, is a non christian, took offense at my signature file, states openly he is a believer in Odin and Thor, states he hates Christians (wonder if he has any friends) and their attempts to "save" people and has "defence" software that will bomb you with hundreds of emails back to your email addy if you try to convert him . Hey,  I tried to reach him but he is not reachable. He demanded I never try to contact him again. That stance makes me question the honesty and integrity of his certifications. Thought you should know the kind of person behind Titan.

This is a program I stumbled across while going through rating forums. I could not find a rating forum where they were not rated highly. In fact , when you login, click on the "rating" link at the top and it will take you to many rating forum choices to check them out at.  So then I emailed them with some questions and got a response right back.   Apparently customer service and doing things on time is one of the things they hold in high regard. Since then I have been in constant contact with Rafael at admin. I always get a response back to any question I have. No one seems to have problems here. Everyone gets paid. They recently added ebullion, then a hacker copped their stuff and hacked someone's accounts, ebullion shut them out and they provided enough DD to ebullion that they let them back in. That's a good sign they are legit. 

They do NOT trade in Forex which I find interesting.
They claim to have been offering investment opportunities since 1998, 
although privately and not online. 
If you click on "about us" at the homepage you can see their history from
1998 to present. Whether all of it is for real, is for you to decide. See my due diligence section further down.
You have control of your funds 24/7  to withdraw or compound with.
They have a quick support response - I can vouch for that.
You can test them out for only $10. I find this rather low. 
Solid Invest is a legal Belize company with a real address and phone contact.
As of Nov 21, 2005 Total Investors:  17,842;
Total Invested:  $10,112,349  Currently it is at 33,800 investors and over $42 million invested. 

Principal as well as the interest you set to compounding is locked in for 7 months since the date of initial deposit. This means each time you add to principal, that amount is tied up for the next 7 months. 

See more info below on this.
You DO have your own account page with them to keep track of your investment and use to either withdraw or compound your earnings with. Use your Compounding Tool to set the percentage you want to either withdraw or put back into the program each day. This is trick and can be changed at any time.
You do NOT have to invest to refer others which removes this program from a Ponzi label with the SEC. 

From their "Terms" page (like an FAQ)

Q. What do 'Account Principal' and 'Available to Withdraw' mean?
A. 'Account Principal' is the total amount of funds consisting of all your deposits and compounded interest. 'Available to Withdraw' is the money that you can withdraw into your e-gold account or that you can add to your Account Principal to increase daily interest (no fees apply).

Q. Please explain the meanings of all the fields in 'Profit Statistics' area.
A. 'Daily Compounded Profit' - daily profit that was compounded and added to your Account Principal. 'Daily Profit' is the profit that was not compounded and was added to 'Available to Withdrawal'.

Q. What is compounding?
A. Click HERE to learn about compounding.

Profit Payments

Q. When are the interest payments made? How do you process them?
A. Profit payments are made daily at 6 a.m. GMT every business day from Monday through Friday. You will receive 1.8% to 3% according to the investment plan you have chosen. After the profit payments are processed by our software and added to your 'Available to Withdraw' balance or compounded, you can make a withdrawal of funds into your e-gold account. To do this, you will need to access 'Withdraw' area and place a withdrawal request. Or you can add the funds to the Account Principal.

Q. When are referral commissions made?
A. Referral bonus constitutes 5% of the amount invested by your referral. It will be added to your 'Available to Withdraw' balance immediately after the interest payments are processed.

Q. I want to withdraw my profit? how can I do that?
A. Here are step-by-step instructions:

1. Wait till profit payments are processed (a few hours after 6 p.m. GMT every business day).
2. Check if you have funds in "Available to withdraw" balance.
3. Click "Withdraw" menu.
4. Follow the instructions provided on this page.

Withdrawal does not involve any fees. Please note that if you have 100% compounding enabled, all the interest will be added to "Account principal" it cannot be withdrawn into your e-gold account. The COMPOUNDING TOOL on your personal page sets from 10% to 100% how much of your daily profit you want
to be able to withdraw and how much you want to go back into the program to make more money.  This percentage can be changed anytime. 

Q. I wasn't paid. what may be the problem?
A. Below we have listed the most common reasons why you have not been paid in a timely manner:

- It might be that you have not made any deposits yet and you have zero balance in your account. You have to make a deposit to start receiving profit.

- If you cannot withdraw the funds from "Available to withdraw" balance please check if you have listed the correct e-gold account number.

- In case the e-gold account number is correct, you may have to check whether your e-gold account has a balance limit imposed on it. You can do it directly from your Account area. If it turns out that the balance limit is imposed, we recommend you to put your principal on 100% compounding while you sort this matter out with e-gold. This way you will not lose any profit payments. Please contact e-gold without any delay, they are very helpful and will solve your problem as soon as possible.

- One of the least probable reasons why you have not been paid may be a bug or delay in our software. No such instances have occurred so far. Yet we urge to wait for at least 12 hours since the scheduled payout time and only then contact our customer service.

Making Deposits

Q. How can I make a deposit?
A. First, you need to have funds in your e-gold account. 
Minimum deposit is $10.
After that please follow these instructions:

- Log into your SOLID INVESTMENT account.
- Click on 'Deposit' menu
- Follow the instructions provided on this page.

Q. What is the minimum to invest?
A. It is $10.

Q. Do I need to invest if I want to start referring others and earn referral commissions.
A. No, you do not need to invest if you want to start earning referral commissions. You only need to open an account.

Q. Can I make additional deposits?
A. Yes, you can make additional deposits as often as you wish.

Withdrawal of Funds

Q. How can I withdraw my 'Available to Withdraw' balance?
A. Please enter 'Withdraw' menu and follow the instructions provided on this page. You can withdraw the funds into e-gold or re-invest it back without any fees.

Q. How long do you keep my principal?
A. The funds are locked in for 7 months since the date of initial deposit.

Q. I would like to make a 'Transfer to Principal', but I am not sure I understand what it means.
A. 'Transfer to Principal' is a very useful option.
- It allow you to re-invest the funds you have without any fees and time loss.
- It may also be used as a security measure if you suspect that some perpetrators have gained access to your account and you do not want your money to be stolen. To avoid this you can simply add the funds to Account Principal where is they will be locked.

Compounding Profit

Q. What is compounding? How do I use it?
A. Compounding is a special tool that allows you to increase the principal on which daily interest is calculated. For instance, 100% compounding means that your whole amount of your daily interest is added to the principal. 70% compounding adds 70% of daily interest to the principal while the remaining 30% is paid into your 'Available to Withdraw' balance. If you have chosen 0% compounding, your whole daily interest is paid into your 'Available to Withdraw' balance.

Q. What is compounding calculator?
A. It is a special calculator designed to help you figure out your total earnings when you compound your profit.

Q. What is the best compounding value?
A. In terms of compounding, the best value is 100%. This way all your profit will be added to your principal, thus increasing it daily. Compounded profit is treated as an inseparable part of principal and is available for withdrawal after 7 months.

Q. Can I withdraw the compounded profit?
A. No, you can not do that. Compounded profit is treated as an inseparable part of principal and is available for withdrawal after 7 months.

Q. How often and when can I change the compounding value?
A. You are free to do this at any time.

Q. How long can I use compounding?
A. You can use compounding for as long as you like. After the first 7 months you will need to re-activate compounding option in your account.

You can opt to have your earnings sent to the withdrawal bin and then you can manually choose to put them back into principal also if you don;t need tht withdrawal. 

Referrals
Q. How can I view the total number of referrals I have?
A. You need to log into your account and press 'Your referral list'. You will then see the whole list.

Q. What does the link called 'Your Referral Link' mean?
A. It shows the link you can give other people in order to refer them to us and benefit from our referral program.

Q. What is a referral?
A. A Referral is a person who joined SolidInvestment through your referral link.

Q. What is a referral bonus?
A. A referral bonus that may also be called referral commission is 5% bonus you will get from every deposit made by your referrals. For instance, you have referred a friend who deposited $100.00 into SolidInvestment. Thus, the balance in his account is $100.00 and you have received $5.00 as a referral bonus. Referral commission is paid into 'Available to Withdraw' balance. Please also note that referral bonus is paid on EVERY deposit made by your referrals, no matter how many deposits they can make.

Q. Will I get my referral bonus for every additional deposit my referrals make?
A. Yes, you will get referral bonus on EVERY deposit your referrals make.

Q. When do you process referral commission payments?
A. We process them immediately after the interest payments are processed.

RARELY OUR WEBSITE MAY BE UNAVAILABLE AS A RESULT OF DDOS ATTACKS. PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS GET THE LATEST NEWS FROM US ON THIRD-PARTY FORUMS SUCH AS: WWW.TRUSTX.COM
from Ber - if a program is found on trustx.com ; it's not a scam. Read what they have to go through.

EXTRA COMMENTS  and due diligence
I have received emails from others stating SolidInvestment.com  is a scam, but with only lip service to back up their claim.  I personally feel they pay too much also, but I am finding other companies paying close to the same I feel are real.   Remember OsOpps ran their charade a full year before folding at a 40%/mo payrate.  

Forum postings continue to show flawless operation.  I have experienced flawless operation since I joined. So I emailed the support person there, Rafael Sosa,  for some DD on their company; and surprisingly he sent me a copy of their certificate of Incorporation which matches the Whois information shown below. The phone rings but you have to leave a message. And he DID call me back. If you are not a VIP with significant funds with them, they do not waste phone time on you. This was explained to me by Rafael Sosa, the support guy who has been very patient with my demands. And the snail mailing address they show on the corporate document matches the whois address in the whois information below. 
   
I entered this program doing this.  I put in as much as I was willing to lose. I set my compounding to OFF, which means all my interest and referral fees were available to withdraw. When my interest and referral fees returned my principal I then respent 50% of my interest and referral money  back into principal (with the "it is now locked up for 7 months feature") and 50% was available for immediate withdrawal, which I  do every few days.  That way my principal keeps growing, and I still see real profits at the same time.  This program would have to have a year under it's belt with me before I would consider setting my compounding to 100% and putting in large amounts. That approach may be too conservative. This may be a great program but I think it is too early to tell yet and we should take a conservative approach in any funding. 

However in the program's defense I have requested several  withdrawals so far and have been paid promptly every time, I have changed settings on my site frequently to test the system - always with immediate positive results, they email me with account changes every time; so far I have nothing bad to say about how the website operates or their performance. One person emailed me stating Jungle Ventures was a scam, but further investigation revealed a Russian website copied all their stuff and had a website named jungleventures.com and  scammed people using their name and their information. Jungle Ventures is their IBC name, not their website.  Solid Investment website claims existence since 1998, but have NOT been on the net since 1998, even though the domain name was registered in 1998. Dec 2004 is when they came to the net.  A rather long history that was presented to me as due diligence requested, stated that they operated as a small group of individuals privately with word of mouth and private clients since 1998. Sam Colins is the founder and active chief executive officer and CEO of Solid Investment Group. It's Sam - the CEO, a support Service Representative, Rafael Sosa whom I have been communicating with,  Pablo Padroza and a group of technical admin people who are taking care of the server that constitute Solid Investment; plus the bank Sam is part owner of which is largely responsible for the investment activity. 
 

Sam says he has  been in this business for over 20 years with a degree in finance, and he initially worked in an investment bank. Presently, he has shares  in an investment bank that is engaged in trading on a global scale. He founded Solid Investment in 1998 together with a group of associates and at first only provided investment services to a small group of investors whom they all knew in person. They have not shown me any documents showing this 1998 to 2004 Solid Investment affiliation. 

A different version of this might go like this.  While it's true that the company name of "Jungle Ventures Ltd." (the name of their parent company) was registered in Belize several years ago, what you don't see unless you do some additional digging is that this company name was a previously set up "shelf company" that the new owner purchased as part of an offshore, pre-made package deal. How this works is that people set up offshore corporations all the time, but when it comes time to renew them one, two, three years down the road, they wind up letting them go. Instead of dissolving these corporations, the company that originally set them up for the client takes over the corporation by paying the renewal fee to keep it active, then sells it to other clients for a hefty profit that want to purchase a ready made offshore entity that already has a history behind it instead of appearing as a newly formed organization, giving them the illusion of being an established entity instead of a new start up company. Jungle Ventures Ltd. may be such a shelf company that was purchased by this new owner in December of 2004. So technically, the website and Belize corporation are legit and both have been around for several years now, that much is true. However, neither may have been owned by the current owner until December 2004 which makes the statements about the history of Solid Investment.com going back to 1998 dubious. This is the only aspect of Solid Investment that I haven't been able to prove one way or the other. 
 

As they  realized that this undertaking was pretty successful, they took it even more seriously. So they opened a program that could allow low and medium worth investors to participate. For a  long while they did not do any advertising.  New investors were  referred by  existing ones or came from closed groups like mine.

In year 2004 they made the offer available to the general public. Any person could join them. The only requirement was a non-disclosure agreement  and they did not require any personal information from their customers. That has since changed, they now want your information.  


Most of the communication between investors and them is handled via Rafael Sosa,  head of the customer service department. You can contact him at any time 24/7 via email for us medianos and even by phone if you are a big spender (that's what I got out of it).  He has been with Solid Investment for 5 years and joined as an investor at first. They do not strive towards attracting the largest possible number of new investors. The investors who are with them now, refer their friends, relatives and associates.  That is how they increase clientele. They are always glad to serve people of all ages and walks of life and will treat every investor individually. As of today they have over 38,000 investors and over 42 million invested. They came to the net to get investors because, 
a. it is becoming more commonplace to do that and 
b. the types of investments that are available to them now which generate extraordinary returns require larger amounts of money. If they truly started back in 1998, this progression makes sense, especially since Sam Colins is part owner of the actual bank itself that is involved with these large trading contracts. They act as an intermediary between us and the opportunities that require large amounts of money to enter. Their main investment sectors are PPP, bank debentures and MTNs. These are the activities that generate the largest returns.. They also diversify their assets by investing in real estate and rapidlly growing young companies. All trading operations are carried out through the bank Sam is one of the owners of. Highly qualified traders perform the daily operations. Sam has over 20 years trading experience and every trader involved has at least ten years of experience they state.  

When asked if they would provide proof of real trading;  statements, trading records, etc; the response was no, such documents are confidential. Solid Investments is involved in such contracts that do not allow them to reveal such. However, they do reserve the right to reveal such information to high net worth individuals whose funds are invested individually. 

They do NOT piggyback off of other online programs and all funds invested are properly diversified to reduce the risk of losing funds. 

Longevity of any program is what ALL members want.   When they started offering their service to the general public, they had a properly designed business plan that will allow them to operate successfully for at least 10 years. That plan is continually being updated and the ten year date is still good.

They have also  established a  reserve fund? They claim they are at all times capable of returning all the funds to investors and have a special backup fund that comprises 20% of all their assets.

They are planning to introduce their website in other languages soon.

They have a physical office at the address shown in the whois information below but not just anybody can walk in. The office is for personal meetings and  VIP investors only.

They have their own  highly secured dedicated servers and use DDOS protection as well as redirect or duplicate web sites with all of the information 
as the main web site contains. Those are solidinvestment.com and solidinvestment.net.

They provide communication with all members regarding what is going on within the program. I DO like the way this outfit communicates. 
 
 Here are answers to the two most commonly asked questions when people are doing their due diligence on SolidInvestment.

1) There is a website that is selling your domain for 100K USD. Why is that?
Answer: This is a fake domain, we have tried to contact this website's owners many times, but they have not removed this domain from the list of domains for sale. We assume this is a scam website.

2) Your company has recently scammed a lot of people. What can you say about it?  Answer: The hyip jungleventures.com was run by Russian scammers. They took our legal registration details from our website and used it to scam investors. We are not affiliated with jungleventures.com in any way. 
Jungle Ventures is our IBC name; Solidinvestment.com  is our online domain name component of that. We have never been out there as jungleventures.com 
We started our operations long before they went online. Now we do keep our legal registration details on our website which is provided  to our active investors.


The following Whois information was taken from:  http://www.whois-search.com/whois/solidinvestment.com 

Jungle Ventures Ltd / Solid Investment 
Castillo Estate #B15 13 Miles Northern Highway, 
Belize Cit Central America BZ 
Domain Name: SOLIDINVESTMENT.COM
 
Administrative Contact: Sam Colins  Email address protected from spam harvesters 
Solid Investment Castillo Estate #B15 13 Miles Northern Highway Belize City, Belize BZ 
Phone: +1(814) 414-0264 Fax: +1(814) 253-7407
 
Technical Contact: Sam Colins  Email address protected from spam harvesters 
Solid Investment Castillo Estate #B15 13 Miles Northern Highway Belize City, Belize BZ 
Phone: +1(814) 414-0264 
Fax: +1(814) 253-7407 

Billing Contact: Sam Colins  Email address protected from spam harvesters 
Solid Investment Castillo Estate #B15 13 Miles Northern Highway Belize City, Belize BZ 
Phone: +1(814) 414-0264 Fax: +1(814) 253-7407 

Record updated on 2005-10-05 00:05:16 
Record created on 1998-08-07 
Record expires on 2006-08-06 
Database last updated on 2005-12-08 17:56:01 EST 
Domain servers in listed order: 
NS1.EASYDNS.COM 216.220.40.243 
NS2.EASYDNS.COM 209.200.151.4 
REMOTE1.EASYDNS.COM 209.200.131.4 
REMOTE2.EASYDNS.COM 205.210.42.20 
REMOTE3.EASYDNS.COM 209.200.131.10 
TransferGuard LOCK Status => ENABLED 
Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. 
Go to http://www.internic.net  for detailed information. 
Domain Name: SOLIDINVESTMENT.COM 
Registrar: BULKREGISTER, LLC. 
Whois Server: whois.bulkregister.com 
Referral URL: http://www.bulkregister.com 
Name Server: NS1.EASYDNS.COM 
Name Server: NS2.EASYDNS.COM 
Name Server: REMOTE1.EASYDNS.COM 
Name Server: REMOTE2.EASYDNS.COM 
Name Server: REMOTE3.EASYDNS.COM 
Status: ACTIVE 
Updated Date: 17-sep-2005 
Creation Date: 07-aug-1998 
Expiration Date: 06-aug-2006

There you have it.

Go to http://www.solidinvestment.com/?ref=detailshere  and have a lookie see.

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